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  • The earth is such a voluminous, sparse, wild place that has its own rhythm that human beings try to control and strategize our way around, but the truth is, if you're out someplace like the ocean on a capsized boat, it doesn't matter if you have academic degrees, or if you're a martial-arts ninja. Nature is a bigger force than you.

    "Talking About Ghosts with Rachael Taylor". Interview with Mark Svartz, www.esquire.com. September 28, 2012.