I worked at a bunch of salons, and at one, a girl was going out to do a photo shoot for a women's magazine and brought me along to assist her. I remember going on that shoot and thinking, "God, this is great. It's creative, and you get to work with all of these other creative people." At that point I decided that hair would be my in to fashion and all the things I thought I would enjoy - and did enjoy.
I wasn't as confident and creative in the beginning as I am now, so it was all very safe. But I was building my work, and it took me a long time. For a good five or six years I was just kind of bobbing around, doing everything and anything.
I didn't know I wanted to be a hairdresser. I was always interested in fashion and imagery in a very naive way, but it was always an attraction, like glitter balls. This was in the late '70s, early '80s, so it wasn't like today, where you kind of know all about the industry. Fashion was a very insider industry then - it was very closed. So I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
I must say, Gisele's [Bundhen] got some of the best hair I've ever touched.
Beautiful things are different.
I think to many people, textured curls still signify 'difference.' And kids like to pick on what's different.
I haven't got a good reputation with pain.
I have a total complex [because of my curls], though, because I got teased a lot as a kid.
I like hair that's been 'worn in' because it's much easier to deal with.... I actually don't like it when [models] come in with this beautiful, thick, glossy hair. I think, Oh, no! I can't do a thing with this!
People comment, and that's where we are now. It's the way the world is.
Everyone has an opinion and I think we're at a time which is very heated all over the world, so of course people will speak out. And they have every right to.
I think now because of this whole social media thing, people obviously felt these things [about cultural appropriation] before, and they comment on everything.
I think it's more funny how every bit of information is up for grabs.
Someone might say that's a naïve way of looking at things now, and I would respect their opinion, but I also respect every woman's right to wearing her own individual style, including hair.
You may say, 'That's naïve of you,' and maybe it is, but in my mind, I'm celebrating every kind of woman. That's what a creative person does.
Every culture to me - be it Asian, African, be it whatever - is a source of reference. I don't think I'm 'stealing' it or anything.
I celebrate every culture. I love the mix of cultures and I'm never going to change that because that's inspiring to me.
I took Instagram off my phone! I took it off because I found I was looking at it too much.
I used to have more meltdowns backstage than I do [now].... It's not that it was ever cool, but right now, it just seems very uncool to have a meltdown. I'm not saying I'll never have one! But I've learnt to stop it just before it happens.
I used to get defensive and react. Like you, I get pushed and pulled [backstage].... Sometimes people are rude to me, and I feel like, 'You know, guys, I'm just here trying to do my job....' And the reality is, everyone else is just trying to do their job...and sometimes they get on a power trip [and] you feel disrespected. But that's their problem. It's not my problem.
As the older ones, to understand that it is a different time, and young people look at fashion in a different way . . . It's just different. If we harp on about it, they'll feel like we're just old fuddy-duddies, so I just kind of get on with it. I still feel I've got things to say.
I try to be aware of technology and Japanese animation and old Belgian paintings, and get all my references from bits of everywhere.
It's hard to be shocking now. It's hard to challenge people because the Internet has allowed everyone to become much more worldly, much more visual. It's very hard to surprise people.
I'm not giving up on my work. I'm still trying to challenge people's aesthetics and myself.
When I think of the people I've worked with, all of them have great passion, and the passion is what keeps people inspired.
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