• You had one guy who was a slave, and another who wasn't. And I actually know what happened to them. [Juan ] Garrido ended up getting good jobs and a pension in Mexico which was the center of New Spain, as it was called. Esteban ended up being killed by the Zuni Indians.

    "Gates Unlocked: Dr. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. The "The African Americans" Interview". Interview With Kam Williams, October 17, 2013.