Because the filming process was so organic and there was no script, the film [Dream of Life] was literally telling us what it wanted to be in the editing room.
I shot [Dream of Life] all on 16-millimeter, and I just wanted to learn about Patti [Smith].
I think those moments in Patti's [Smith] bedroom really helped the film [Dream of Life] out, and those moments existed because of the trust between us. There isn't any real self-consciousness in the film because we all like each other.
Over time it just got more and more intense as far as the trust factor. For example, when we started editing the film [Dream of Life], I thought, man, I need to make sense of all the footage I have; I need to ground the film. And one day I was hanging out in Patti's [Smith] bedroom, which is where Patti works, and in the corner of her bedroom is this great chair, and that's when she began showing her personal things to me. The camera was there, and we realized that we were really making the movie and making sense of the footage in the movie.
We were just hanging out and getting to learn about each other. But I think trust was a really big thing. Patti [Smith] is a good friend, somebody I can talk to.
We just grew to trust each other [with Patti Smith] more and more over the years. Most of the time I didn't even have a movie camera.
I came up with more money, took all the footage, got a great editor and made this film [Dream of Life]. But I really didn't go into it with the intention of making a movie.
It took 12 years to put this film [Dream of Life] together, but it was not until toward the end of those 12 years that I looked at Patti [Smith] and said, "Maybe we should do something with this footage."
At the beginning I didn't even really think about making a movie [Dream of Life]. I was just thinking of documenting somebody.
I didn't do well in high school, but I took photography, and I loved being able to capture moments. It led to more and more photography, and fashion was the angle into photography for me. It was incredible to see photographs by Irving Penn or Helmut Newton. I was really intrigued by that, and that's what led me to New York City.
I just wanted to be Patti's [Smith] messenger and get her word out there.
Fashion's been really good to me. It financed Patti Smith: Dream of Life.
Fashion has also been a great outlet, and I'd like to do more fashion photography in the future. I also photograph a lot of artists.
For me, moving from photography to film was very easy.
Sometimes my fashion pictures can look a little bit like documentary style pictures. So having a camera in my hand was normal.
I never went to film school, so I just sort of learned on my own.
Patti [Smith] was my experiment, to be honest. And the film is what we got out of it. At the end of the day, I learned a lot about how to make a film.
[Through the making of Dream of Life] I learned about being patient, perseverance, having a dream, a goal. I learned that I can accomplish something despite not knowing anything about it when I begin.
For me to see the film [Dream of Life] on a big screen - it's pretty extraordinary.
I remember when we were at Sundance, we were in Robert Redford's screening room, and I had never seen the film look so beautiful or sound so great. It was really big and really powerful, and I had a sense of accomplishment in finishing a project like this.
Hopefully I can inspire lots of people to learn about [Patti Smith], to read poetry or learn about William Blake or Arthur Rimbaud.
I became Patti's [Smith] messenger, basically, and the film is my view of how I learned about Patti.
Ultimately, the film [Dream of Life] is inspirational.
I thought about how to film something, how to take pictures of it and how to mix it all together. And I was getting that through Patti [Smith] - because she takes pictures, performs, writes; she does so many things, and that was a big inspiration to me. It helped me realized that I'm not just a fashion photographer. I wanted to do all these other artistic things as well, and during filming my mind opened up to those possibilities.
I was making a film [Dream of Life] about Patti [Smith], but I was taking pictures, too.
"I just wanted to be Patti's [Smith] messenger and get her word out there."
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